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>> that does it for this edition of "360." thanks for watching. piers morgan starts now. when they first told me i would be interviewed by piers morgan, i was like who is piers morgan? >> kid rock is the quintessential all-american rock star. this guy by his own admission has taken every drug known to man. he's slept with most of america, and he's fought everybody that gets in his way. when he turns 40, there's another side of kid rock i find equally compelling, and which i hope to unravel for you tonight. this guy, as a human being, is
as fascinating as he is as a rock star. >> mr. morgan. >> mr. rock. ♪ i'm gonna be a cowboy, baby >> what do i call you, kid, are you bob, are you mr. rock? >> doesn't really matter to me. my good friends call me bobby. my stage name is kid rock. whatever you feel comfortable with. >> you just turned 40. i mean, is there a point where you have to change your name from kid? >> god, if i had 100 bucks every time somebody asked me that. no, not at all. >> i get the feeling that you quite enjoy not being a kid, but you enjoy the wild side of life, don't you? you like being a rocker. >> i enjoy having a good time. i'd say that's true. >> how wild does it get? >> probably wilder than i'm willing to discuss right now.
>> do you keep totals? do you know how much you've consumed over the years? >> no. i'm not going to be a, you know, wilt chamberlain or gene simmons and put numbers on it, the amount i've drink and the amount of women i've been with. i've had a good time, and i can say that i think everybody around me has had a good time, too. i don't think anybody's walked away from the party being wild and saying i feel weird or used or that was dirty or something was wrong or bad. it might be dirty fun, but at the same time, there's an element of clean to it. >> i like that about you. you're unashamedly a rocker, aren't you? you like behaving bad. it's what rock stars do, right? >> i like who i am. i guess there's enough information out there to support that i'm a wild and crazy dude. there's enough information to support i'm a single father that's been a stand-up guy in the community and i'm private about that stuff. it's on both sides.
i'll take that. >> is there anything you regret? >> no. >> nothing? >> nothing. >> that's quite a statement. >> you know, i'm not into losing. so, i would never pick a battle that i'm not going to win, whether it's getting older in life or having regrets or anything else. i find the good in it all. >> how do you feel about being 40? >> great. >> you like it or is part of you like -- >> i love it. >> why? >> because i can't fight it and i'm not going to lose so i'm going to embrace every day, every age, every year. i can look back at everything and find some great, great things in all of that, find some learning experiences, and i'm looking forward to however many the good lord above grants me. >> how long do you think you can rock? at what point is it embarrassing.
>> i think i can rock for awhile. if you want to talk head banging, i'm sure my body is not going to agree with what my mind want to do. i'm ready for that. i'm trying to figure out how to grow old gracefully. >> "vanity fair" magazine just came out and had justin bieber on it. >> what was that? >> ""vanity fair." ". >> i was going to say what did you call me? >> i've read the story. justin bieber was on the cover and they are building him up as the new face of music. what do you feel about that? >> there's always a justin bieber. ever since i've been around there's always been one of him. you can trace it back from however old you are and the boy bands that came along then and the teen sensations and what not. good for them. there's a few that make it out and a few that don't. there's a funny story. i met that kid not too long ago at the american music awards. he came up to me and said, hey, kid rock, what's up? i said bieber, what's up. he said i got your old tour bus.
i said i hope you got it sanitized. i don't know if he knew what i was talking about? what did he say? in he chuckled. he's a nice enough kid. >> do you think there is room enough for everyone in music? >> sure there is. the thing i wish in music is there's room for everyone. it comes to a ploy where people take advantage of situations. with people like in his realm, whatever you want to call it, you know, and what i have heard is the kid is kind of at all ened. i don't know. i can't confirm it because i've never paid attention that hard. if somebody is talent, i think it's great because it influences other kids, what's good in music and to keep digging into things that are good in life and not just something that is marketable. i always say if it looks good, you'll see it. if it sounds good, you'll hear, it if it's marketed right, you'll buy it, but if it's real you'll feel it, and i think that's the most important thing, and i just want to make sure kids are getting that feeling so they can make good choices in everything in life.
>> we are in the era of brands in all aspects of entertainment. >> you're telling me. >> you're a pretty strong band, but it's a brand that relies, you know, on you continuing to be kid rock in all its guises. >> it relies on doing what i say and saying what i mean. the brand is here. when i endorse a product like jim beam, it's because i've been singing about jim beam since before they approach me. i know about beer, i like beer. >> how do you describe your brand? >> it's honest. it's real. >> do you believe you are -- i mean, it's a statement to say your brand is honesty, isn't it? are you completely honest? have you ever been dishonest? >> i'm sure i have been dishonest at times. it might be for a reason of somebody maybe going to be hurt about something that's just unnecessary, but i'd say for the most part, yes. i'm 100% honest. >> what else do you stand for,
do you think? >> geez, where do you want to start? >> wherever you want to stand. >> i stand for being proud of who you are, your heritage, where you come from, your country. just things you believe in and every day goodness in life. all those things don't have to be, you know, white and black. there can be a middle ground somewhere. i think that's where i lie in most things, just in the middle, right down the middle. >> i mean, are you a fighter in all senses. >> i stand up for what i believe in. >> and you're not afraid to defend yourself, if need be? >> i get a little nervous and scared like everybody, but when push comes to shove, no, i'm trying to, youy know -- i have completed anger management twice. >> have you. >> with flying colors. >> what are they like, those courses? i've always wondered. >> the first time, there was a lady in detroit i went and talked with, very nice older black woman, and she had been through a lot, told me her story, and we were talking and filled out a little
questionnaire and she's like, baby, you just don't strike me as somebody who is angry. and i said, well, miss nedra, i think there's been a mix-up with the sentencing from the judge. i said rather than anger management i think i should have been sentenced to aa. i said i definitely have a drinking problem, i don't know about an agnler problem, but whatever the drinking is going on real strong, that seems to be when the problems occur. >> are you only violent when you've been drinking? >> i would say that's been the student stuff, the foigts in waffle houses and, you know, different things like that, but, you know, if it's something i believe in, if i'm, you know, standing up for a family member or somebody that maybe can't defend themselves over something that's just plain wrong, you know, then not. >> you're sober now, right? what would it take for me to push you over the edge? could i actually be in fear of a right hook? >> no, not at all. >> so can you control it when you're in this environment? >> yeah. >> but if we were in a bar -- >> this is a pretty safe environment, by the way.
>> i wouldn't go that far. >> what the ritz carlton with wright lights and cameras. i don't feel that red cameras. >> when does the red mist descend for you? >> i don't know. i guess i'm a bit too self-righteous at times, and there's certain things i believe, you know. sometimes i've gotten into trouble for defending friends over dumb things or defending a woman's honor, this, that and the other. things i do believe in and i think are right. now that i look back at them, i know they could have been handled a different way. >> you don't regret smacking tommy lee, do you in. >> no. >> he deserved it? >> yes. >> waffle house guy, does he deserve what came his way? >> absolutely. >> you don't actually regret those things, even though you got angry and got violent, you think it's justified. >> can we rewind the tape to no regrets. no, i felt they were justified. i went to court for several of those things. you know, could i have paid somebody off 20, 50 grand whatever it is, and i sat in court and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to
defend what i think is right, to go after these scum-sucking attorneys, the ambulance chasers that are out there that see me as a pay day, and i'd rather just spend the money and stand up for what i believe in. >> coming up later, i would argue that pamela anderson changed your life massively for the better. ♪ i was born free ♪ i was born free discover customersl are getting five percent cashback bonus at the pump... and at many of the places their summer plans take them. it pays to switch, it pays to discover. we inspect your air filter, cabin filter. there's bugs, leaves, lint, crud. you'll be breathing that. i do believe it's part of a locust.
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♪ >> here's a contradiction with you which i find fascinating. on the one hand, you are a wild rocker, not afraid to defend himself with his fist if need be. >> i'm not that violent. >> i'm not saying that you are, but you say you have a bit of a drink problem, the classic signs of a big rock star and there's a whole different side to you, which i find fascinating. when you go home from the wild tours you shut the door, you are an extraordinary character, a single parent. you brought up a boy who you have custody of. he's turned out to be a delightful young man. you are the standard bearer for detroit.
you fought the fight for them in many ways and you have a great integrity about you. it's in complete contrast to the way you are on stage. >> i don't know about on stage. i think it's the off-stage antics that get captured by the cameras. i don't really run from them. i'm pretty whatever. i'm not going to let a camera rain on my parade, so that's a lot of what people see. that's the information that's out there. you know, my home life has always been pretty private probably until the last year i let a few people into my house to see. after watching so many programs and people are kind of grouped into my stereotypical category. no, there's another way of doing it. i have been doing it well. now that my son is older, he's a man now and equipped with the tools to deal with it. >> how old is he now? >> 17. >> i have a 17-year-old son. they are not the easiest when they get to that age. you have done an extraordinary job with it. i mean, you've brought this boy up. >> i've got to stop you there and say, yes, he's my son and i have -- i believe i've done a lot of the right things, mainly i think the biggest thing i've done is realize the old saying
it takes a village to raise a child, and i've had great family, great god parents. i mean, everybody around me is family, an i live in a very small town in northern michigan where's no sunshine for four or five months out of the year. there's no pretty girls running around in bikinis or any of that stuff, you know, no palm trees, and i've wondered several times when i'm living there like what the hell am i doing? i could be up in the hills in hollywood or anywhere i want in the world amend i've worked hard and saved some money, and now when i look back on it, i'm like, no, i did the right thing and i look at my son, and i realize a lot of that, the community that he's from. that's the only thing that matters to me, what people think of me and my community where i live, that's what matters to me, the people that live there. other than that, i can't go after and try to, you know, convince people that i'm this or that all around the world. i don't have the time and energy. there's too much fun to have it life, but where i live, it's important. >> how do you think your relationship with your son has been dictated by the relationship you had with your father? how have you been different as a
father, do you think? >> well, i never really paddled him that much. >> that's interesting. have you never smacked your son? >> i don't know. he got a few. he got a few on the hand when he was youk. i'd snap the belt a few times. >> but nothing like you got? >> no, i think actually his grandfather was the one that actually got him when he got older, a little hard, the one that got me. looking back on it, too, one of those things where it's just different times, you know. my mother used to send me to school with a note pin on me in grade school that said you have permission to spank bob fehe gets out of line. >> really? >> yeah. those times, i guess -- i guess i'm getting old now telling these stories. >> but what kind of dad do you think you've been? >> i think i've been a good dad. i'm positive he'd tell you the same. i'm as proud of him as he is proud of me. we're not friends. as good buddies we are we're not friends. i'm his father still. that's the line i've tried to
make here. when somebody has had to discipline when i'm on the rod, grandma, his aunt, his god patients, the cleaning lady, whatever, i've always been the one to step in, you know, and lay the finger down and let him know that i'm your father, you know, and this is law of the land right here under this roof, but at the same time, you know, we are very close. >> what do you think the law of the land should be for your son? >> show respect to the people around you, especially have a little respect for as much as i'm gone, and i've tried to ajust my schedule to be home. that's just not the way it is, and try to -- troy to think about some things, too, how fortunate we are to have the things we, have and while there's other people gone from their homes, ie military members, people in business that travel a lot, that's just the way it is for a lot of kids, you know, and when there's a few times in his life, oh, this stinks, you know, you're famous and i've got to read about your antics in paper and get teased as school, and i'm saying it's a pretty nice bed you've got upstairs. it's a pretty nice car we drive to school every day. like calm down.
>> if he started taking drugs and stuff, would you be sensorious about that? >> well, haddy actually attended malibu high school for like one month, and it was a total culture shock to him, and i picked him up the first day of school, you know, small town, rural michigan, malibu high school. picked him up the first day of school and he said -- i said how was school today? he was like -- started to get that huff and puff, and he said it sucked. he said all these kids here do is right skateboards and do drugs, and i looked at him said, hey, stay off them skateboards. >> had we come back, i wish i could have had a conversation with lebron james, in other words to say like, you know, what don't you understand about winning? ♪ when it's done believe that i will yell it from that mountain high ♪
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♪ ♪ they are shutting detroit down ♪ >> it's got to get cleaned up, you know. they have to bring -- i mean, you almost need an angel. ♪ because this is my hometown >> i want to talk to you about detroit. this is your heartland. it's become musically and spiritually you rather like new jersey for bruce springsteen, that important. why is it so important to you? what does it moan to you? >> it's where i'm from. my family and my roots are there.
i don't know how to say any more than that. i'm proud of where i come from at every level. i wish i had a better answer for you. that's the heart of it. >> when you sing about detroit, what is going through your mind? you sing with great passion and eloquence about it. >> everything i have done in my career started in and around detroit, the metro area in michigan. i always say this is my house, but it was built by a lot of hand, and a lot of those hands were there from day one. anything i've done, the first records i sold. the first time i started to sell an arena out, it was all there. the stadium was right there. you know, any companies i've started. and, you know, i've had a lot of friends on both sides of the suburbs and the city, and, you know, it's always seemed like the politicians were the ones that were at each other's throats and the black politicians are like old the rich are messing everything up and the rich suburbs are like we don't want this ghetto mentality out in the suburbs and this, that and the other. it was always me growing up it wasn't like that, with the
people and the kids my age so, you know, once i started to get successful i saw an opportunity just to try to help people out. i always believe in helping your neighbor first. i understand, and there's opportunities that come up all over the world that i try to help out in, but that's just writing a check. >> it's actually more than that, because i checked out a few of these things. read about a pizza delivery boy in ohio who had been robbed of $15, and when you heard that he lived with his mom, trying to work his way through college, you paid for that for a year. that's not just handing out a check. i mean, that's a vested interest in that boy's future and another story in florida. a guy, his american flag kept being stolen from his porch and you read about this. so you bought him a 0-foot pole. i love these kinds of stories because they are different than the average rock star. people just don't do that. >> that's the k3450u7b9 i'm in. i go into the markets and take dollars. people spend their hard-earned money to see me.
i've done it anonymously. i conflict about that. i believe if i talk about it it might inspire people to do good things but at the same time i don't want to put it on a flag and wave it around. since you brought it up. i feel like i'm taking dollars out of these markets. is there something in this paper, some little story that i can just help somebody out? >> how often do you do that? >> as often as i can. believe it or not, there's stories you go do, there's not bad stories, no opportunity to touch someone directly. always a national story this, that and the other, something bad going on in but right there in that community, i do it as often as i can. it's kind of fun. as tragic as it sounds, it's kind of fun to do something good for somebody when you're able to. it's just -- >> detroit obviously is the center of the car industry and is being decimated through the recession. and you've seen that firsthand when you've gone back. how bad has it been, do you think, in reality, detroit? and where is it now? >> well, i mean, when it really started hitting, detroit's been devastated for a lot of years
and has been going that way. when you look at the population decrease since basically the '67 riots, losing over a million people since then, just absolutely devastated the city at every level and when it started to creep to the suburbs with the auto industries and now it's hitting the white collars and seeing all the foreclosures and your friends' homes and scared to say anything to you, probably embarrassed and look at the foreclosure sign go off and then they are gone and can't take their kids here, this, that and the other and nowadays i see people in detroit, they are very -- they are like a lot of cities, but they are very proud to be from there, and they really want to see change and really want to see good things happen. >> you prefer being quite a big fish in a small pond relatively like detroit. >> oh, sure. >> and being one of the cast of thousands like here in l.a., for example. >> i get treated -- i mean, i get treated beyond belief there, and i give a lot of love to where i'm from and they give me a lot of love back. there's nothing on earth -- i wish i could have had a conversation with lebron james who i consider an acquaintance, met him several times.
i'd say he's a friend, in other words to say, you know, hike what don't you understand about winning? you've already won. you're from akron, you know what i mean? you play for cleveland. just by saying i'm going to stay in my hometown in the community. can you go anywhere in the world, take your private jet, go anywhere but you're literally a king there. that's how i feel in detroit. no one can ever take that from me. nothing like being loved in your life. >> you couldn't do like lebron and switch allegiance from this city. >> never. >> you can't be bought, can you? >> one thing i've proud of i've never made an unhonest dollar off someone's back. i don't have to drive around in a tintd rolls-royce and get out in hotels and hide from people. i'm very proud of that, but do i want to make a lot of money. i want to make it honest. i want to make a lot because it kind of sets you free in a weird way where you can tell somebody.
you know, we're going to pay you this. you're not treating people right. i've walked away from shows not treating the crew people right, and they don't have dressing rooms for the girls and just some water and they think you ought to be privileged to be on the show. i'm like go bleep bleep yourself, i'm going home. have a fun show. >> money brings you that power, doesn't it in. >> kind of does, yeah. >> do you ever feel guilty about the money that you have? you go back to detroit and see so many people jobless and having no money. do you feel guilty, or do you feel you put enough back into that city? >> sometimes it's a weird thing to have so much and see other people with so little, and then, you know, you try to figure out, how can i divvy it up between the people i love and it comes to this point where you've got to give the people the tools. i won't loan people money anymore but i've had several friends where they thought i'm an electrician, why don't you learn how to become a master electrician. what do you need to do that, i'll pay for it. >> what's the most extravagant thing you've ever bought? >> i think a -- an original 1930
cadillac. >> how much was that? >> it was just under half a million dollars, but also it's a piece of not only american history, it's a piece of detroit history. >> and your dad used to make american cars? >> yeah. he worked in the steel mills and have plenty of family members on the line. my dad sold cars, built his own dealership from scratch and put himself through school and everything else, and it's -- it's not only an investment, by the way. it's not going to lose money but it's something, you know, that's really a piece of american and detroit history. we can sit and crack beers and smoke cigars and lock at the ingenuity, the first v-16 i ever built and it really inspires me. >> coming up, kid rock, the all-american patriot. >> we're on a plane with human remains and there's an american flag draped over a casket that you're flying with, you know, it really sparks up some things and really makes you thing. ♪ close to my destination ♪ tired, frail and aching
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rock really care, you know, about ordinary soldiers. ♪ frail and aching, waiting patiently for the sun to set ♪ >> you're obviously a very well-known patriot. you fly a lot to afghanistan and iraq to play for the troops. it means a lot to you. are you a traditional republican? >> no. >> because you seem complicated politically. you are not either one or the other, really? you are more for your country than for party. >> i'm like the majority of people we don't want bible thumpers running the country and we don't want pot-smoking hippies running it. you know, there's a middle ground there that i think most of the around the world are. hey, chill out, man. let's try to figure this out and give people the opportunities and the tools to, what we say, live the american dream, and i know there's some things wrong on both sides. not i would sway belief-wise more republican and less
government and creating opportunity. you know, if you had to strictly say, one of those, yes, would i sway a little bit more that way and then i would sway left on, you know, other issues. >> do you think the wars in afghanistan and iraq have been just wars? >> you know, that's tough to say. when you get into politics, i know this much. i don't study political science, and i didn't do that well in school. >> forget the politics. are we winning these wars from what you've seen on the ground? >> i believe we need to have a presence there. it's kind of like somebody -- somebody keep an eye on the bully around town. if you let him free, you know, he's going to work up a scheme and a scam and going to get you, and i think we need to be over there -- i think we need to be doing a lot of things that we don't need to know about, things that people don't need to see. they need to pay their taxes and understand they live in -- if you're born free somewhere, you know, not -- whatever, born free somewhere, that's such a great thing by the grace of god just to be born free, and there are reasons why you are. pay your taxes and people go out and do things to protect you to
make shower you can sleep at night and not having to worry about planes flying over and dropping bombs and terrorist attacks every other day, this, that and the other and i think it's a necessary evil. i don't know if we're doing it exactly right because i don't know everything about it, even though i've been there several times. my thing is to go entertain the troops. i've had conversations with them, and majority of the guys tell me they -- they believe in their country, and they are very patriotic. that's why they are there. >> that's not quite the same as believing that these wars are just, is it? you can support the troops. my brother has just done a tour of afghanistan, and it's difficult i think if you look at it, you know, are we winning, do you think, from what we've seen there? >> on a plane with human remains and there's an american flag draped over a casket you're flying with, you know, it really sparks up some things and really makes you think, and at that point, no. at that point, you say, no, this isn't worth it at all, and then, you know, you start to analyze it and look through history, and there's a lot of people, a lot more people that have died, to not only make our country free but to make a lot of countries free around the world, to help
out a lot of countries, to do a lot of good things. war is never a good thing, but i do think it's necessary. >> when you travel around europe and asia and other countries outside of america, not many americans do, but still when you do, what do you think the perception of your country is? >> misunderstood. you know, we took a lot -- a lot of flack and maybe some of it just for the iraq war, and, you know, a lot of things that bush did, and i wasn't in bush's shoes so i don't know what that was like, and -- and they kind of looked down, but i think they forget, you know, and that's what kind of sometimes gets me a little angry is people forget first time there's a natural disaster anywhere in the world, who is the first people to send money, and those are our tax dollars? when a tragedy happens somewhere, someone invades another country works goes first. those are our guys and girls that go in there and die and it's been for a lot of years. it's nice, when you go to kuwait for instance, you go to kuwait, when you're american, people are
like thank you, thank you. in one sense we did save their country from being attacked and overtaken from saddam hussein. saddam hussein was a bad, bad man. node to be taken out. now i believe we probably could have taken him out a little bit better than devastating his country and doing and doing what we did. but what do i know, i sing rock 'n' roll songs and usually i share these beliefs with family and friends and not you and the whole world. >> i find you interesting, because you're not a stereotypical republican or democrat. you're coming at it more from a position of being an american. what does being american moan to you? >> being whatever you want without taking advantage. the problem in the world is people take advantage of that, but to be american to me means have the freedom to choose and be who you want to be and to have a shot at that american dream which is whatever you want it to be, getting a good job, raising a family, getting a piece of land, you know, just being free. the ultimate sense of being free, more free than anywhere else in the world. >> do you feel that the american
dream is still what it used to be? >> i don't know. sometimes i shake a finger at those baby boomers, you know, and wonder if they did some damage there. i've talked to my dad about this and several people. i think the dream is still there. i think it's a little more difficult nowadays. but i also think there's plenty of new opportunities being created, with the internet and all the other technology, thanks that are coming out. i think it's always going to be there as long as -- you know, every once in a while when you're driving fast, you're going to stray off the course a little bit. jerk the wheel and get back on, and i think we're just jerking the wheel right now and trying to get back on it. >> next is a question that i just had to ask. so you've declared several times in this interview you have no regrets. i'd like to offer one suggestion, your marriage to pamela anderson? introducing the schwab mobile app. ♪ you want.
blast? do you live in a cave? >> i've actually interviewed your ex-wife. >> i'm not going to get into the discussions of her have been covered throughout the years, it's over, but i'll tell you this if you haven't heard me say that. getting married is some of the most fun i've ever had in my life. i don't know a time that i've had more fun. loved it so much we got married like four or five times. it was that much fun. now, on the flip side, being married sucks. >> being married to pamela anderson probably sucks. she's a crazy, crazy chicago, right? >> i'm not going to get into it. i'm not going to get into it. it was part of my life. i've moved on. it's done. >> i wouldn't argue. >> you know, i don't knock you for taking a shot. you're not the first one or the last. >> i know you hate talking about it. >> i don't hate talking about it, but i've covered it. >> one thing that you have covered which is i would argue that pamela anderson changed your life massively for the better in the sense that you learned a lot about yourself in that period, that crazy period,
and -- and i think from your admission you came out a different guy, a better guy. >> who are you going to argue about that with? >> you. am i right. >> i'm not taking the bait. >> am i right, do you think? you can't even say that? >> come on. >> can't even say that. >> you learned lessons, didn't you? >> i've learned lessons all through life and taught a couple, too. >> has it put you off marriage? >> what's that? >> would you get married again? >> would i get married again. right now i'd say no, but i've learned to never say no. >> is there any one special in your life? >> yes. >> you want to elaborate? >> nope. >> when you -- >> you know what happens with that is, you know, you put these people out there somebody you're with and you declare your love for them and everything, and then the press gets interested and sometimes it destroys somebody else's life. what if that doesn't work out
for the other person, i've learned, and this is somebody who is not a celebrity, this, that and the other. you know, it can really be a tough thing to deal with, you know. if i'm thinking of somebody else, trying not to be so selfish and saying, you know what, try to talk to that person, it's better in the end. whatever is going to be is going to be, and if for some reason, you know, things go one way or the other, at least you protect it. >> you like women. always liked women. you love women, right? >> i've got no problem with women. >> could you imagine genuinely settling down with one woman for the rest of your life? do you think that's in your makeup? >> yeah, i think it's always been in my make were up why, but it hasn't always been the opportunity that afforded me. >> all the temptation on the road? >> of course. >> just outrageous. >> chris rock said that years ago in his comedy bit and it's fricking so true. you're only as faithful as your options. >> how many options do you get in an average tour? >> ever been to baskin-robbins?
>> do you hike that, or do you still get the same buzz out of it? >> it's a lot of fun. you know, i was not the prettiest kid. i mean, look at me. >> i mean, you got lucky. >> totally. i wanted to pick up a guitar and play rock 'n' roll so i could get a new car and a hot girl. i never expected all that other stuff to be happening and be involved in charities and playing with the troops and touching people's lives and everything else, hanging out in the white house, this, that and the other. mind-blowing events, not at all, but it's pretty cool. >> has it been all you hoped it would be? >> yeah. >> and do you like being famous? >> yes. >> what are the best things about fame, do you think? >> the best things about fame, well, the money don't suck, let's start there. >> how much have you made? >> a lot. >> do you know how much you've made? >> it's none of your business. i'd care for you to stay out of my personal affairs. >> we're getting quite good at
that. >> my sister told me the other day, got a new accountant, and they called and said like we had no idea. >> how rich you are. >> i guess you could say that, but, i don't know, at the same time i don't really compare notes with anybody. i don't live very lavish either. i live in detroit, michigan. i have a home in malibu and a small place in nashville, but, you know, i live pretty modestly. i've always said to my band and people around me that i care about that work for me and whatever, live under your means. enjoy the little things in life that you don't have to get up and go to work every day on the daily 9:00 to 5:00 grind. can you afford to put gas in the two cars you've got out there and enjoy the really little things because think back to when the little things were like climbing mountains in your mind. >> when we return, kid rock on his big beef with steven tyler. why did you think that he sold out by doing "idol?" ♪
♪ i was born free ♪ i was born free ♪ i was born free >> your song "born free" is ripping up the charts. tell me about it. >> it's a record produced by a great friend of mine, rick reuben, who has done a lot of good records. the most honest record i've done in terms of songwriting with great musicians, taking it back to what -- what the records i love to listen to as i grew up, honest guys in a room, no click tracks, no trickery or wizardry, in there making honest music, and it's the best i could do. >> is it best you've done, do you think? >> i think so, yes. >> are you an emotional guy? >> not really. >> when was the last time you cried? >> when i found out my dad had a heart attack. >> and for you obviously at the time you were riding high,
everything is going great and you get hit by this hammer blow. >> yeah. >> what does this tell you when that sort of thing happens in your life? >> well, you care about sub-care about somebody deeply. brings you back to what's really important in life. i don't think i've ever had a gray area there. i've always been thankful that i learned at a young age what is really important in life and that is your family and friends? if you look back over your life and career, what would be the moment that you would replay again? if you knew you were going to die tomorrow, what would be the one thing you would like to relive? >> i don't know. it might be -- might be as simple as walking my son to school. in his carhart snow suit, all bundled up and marching down to class and me starting to get famous and people knowing who i am and coming home after school. lived in this very small house and turned on mtv to see what number my video was.
i was like we're going to be in a big house soon. probably moments like that, that we've shared together. because he's kind of seen it all unfold, even though he was kind of probably 5 or 6, 1 years old when i started to really gain money and success and stuff. he saw enough down here to -- probably the stuff we've experienced together. we've both gone through a lot together. >> how important to you is your credibility? >> it depends to you. >> i saw you attacking steven tyler. he's a friend of yours. >> i wasn't attacking steven tyler. >> okay. let's rephrase that. when you were being pretty highly critical of his decision. >> somebody asked me a question of what do you think tyler doing "idol?" i don't think it's a good move. i was honest. >> you were sort of saying this is not the thing a guy like him should do because he's a bona fide rock star. >> in my opinion, yes. >> he said back that you were jealous. >> that was funny. i was a little upset with that actually. i just saw him recently and i'm like that's as good as can you do. i've followed your career for years, not only a friend but a
fan. i expected so much more out of you. i gh -- i'm walking material. all you have to do is google me. you can come up -- you can rip me for days on anything, but -- >> why did you think that he sold out by doing "idol?" >> i didn't say he sold out. i thought it was a bad move. one of the most credible rock singers in american history, and i don't agree with the premise of that show. i don't knock the kids who go on and try it, and i understand they want to be stars, but -- but, you know, i'm a believer you've got to get some scars and get some feel and there's a certain path you've got to take in life with anything you do. before you own the garage, you've got to learn how to sweep the floors. i believe that. i was taught that, and i think the worst thing in life is the biggest curse would be to be famous without any money, and i think that's what that show does to a lot of people, and i don't think he needs to be down there, you knowing telling kids if they can sing or not in teeny bopper land. you know what has been said to me, kind of funny and try.
a buddy gave me crap, who do you think you are, 30 million people a week watching that show and you are on a high horse, and i'm not a mathematician, there's 300 million people in america and i'd like to talk to the other 270 million that don't watch that ploep bleep. >> even the beatles have cracked now and you stand out like a shot of tough gold. why are you continuing to resist? what's the principle at stake for you here? >> it's very deep and it's very hone honest. i'm going to be very candid with you. i don't like being told what to do. i will say this, just so there's no -- no misconceptions. i'm not only a fan of apple products, i have stock in the company. i think steve jobs started one of the greatest american corporations, one of the greatest corporations in the world, the last 30 years, whatever it's been, and i
appreciate the way he seas, you know what? it's my company. you sell your music for this amount of money. i'm going to run it the way i want to and if you don't like it, screw o.can i relate to that. that's exactly how i run my companies. >> but here's the irony of your position. everyone thought you were mad, being obstinate and yet i read a report very recently suggesting you've made more money staying out of itunes than you would have done if you've got into. >> i've made the record company a lot more money, yes. i've made myself a couple extra dollars. but i don't think anyone wants their money back that doesn't like the album. come on, bring it back. but i just don't think that everything costs the same price. i think that's un-american.
>> they are really confused. you want to do it cheaper? sure, why not? you can just buy it at the click of a button that. hasn't done anything to do the quality of music at any level. i believe if they make the greatest lawn mower in the world and the only place you can get it is toledo, ohio and it's that great, people will travel to toledo, ohio to get that lawnmower. >> talking about traveling a long way to get something. this is your bad ass lagger. i have to warn you because i'm a connoisseur of beer. i've just bought a pub in london. >> hillbilly style. i'm not going to let you drink alone. what's your pub calle